tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post3215589733302550290..comments2024-01-08T05:30:03.477-05:00Comments on CANGAMBLE: How About A Long Shot In The Preakness: Circular QuayUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-68611872035366045662007-05-22T07:56:00.000-04:002007-05-22T07:56:00.000-04:00Nothing ridiculous going on here. All points I ma...Nothing ridiculous going on here. All points I make a valid. Most trainers don't make a dime in the morning, yet many think they are entitled to it. They are not.<BR/>A real estate agent goes from client to client hoping to make a sale. They waste their time quite often, and even go out of pocket with gas expenses for example. When their listing sells or their client buys, that is when they make money.<BR/>Yet their secretaries still get paid regardless, just like grooms, hot walkers, and exercise boys get paid regardless. The firm the real estate agent works for picks up that tab, just like the owner picks up the tab for the trainer's workers indirectly.<BR/><BR/>If a trainer can find an owner/sucker to pay him in the morning, more power to him. I'm all for capitalism. But unless a trainer can guarantee an owner doesn't lose money, my opinion is that they should only make their money in the afternoon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-9794698480889419042007-05-22T02:01:00.000-04:002007-05-22T02:01:00.000-04:00Is this blog a joke? I've never heard such ridicul...Is this blog a joke? I've never heard such ridiculous comments in my life!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-88709817377875933892007-05-20T17:27:00.000-04:002007-05-20T17:27:00.000-04:00Anon, you don't know anything about what I know or...Anon, you don't know anything about what I know or don't know. In fact, I know a lot more than I let on.<BR/>Trainers who can't make it on 10% are glorified grooms. Most think about going back to grooming and many do.<BR/>I never said it was easy to make money, just as it isn't easy making money as an owner.<BR/>An owner that pays a trainer in the morning is a sucker. And I'm not saying there aren't suckers out there. Trainers trip over themselves looking for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-48092742475657096792007-05-20T17:07:00.000-04:002007-05-20T17:07:00.000-04:00Most trainers are glorified grooms?You obviously d...Most trainers are glorified grooms?<BR/>You obviously don't know what your talking about. Training isn't as easy as you think. You may not need a college degree, but be reminded that many trainers are very well educated. Owners not understanding the game(alot like you cangamble) and wanting to run horse's out of place or not being patient enough and forcing the trainer to do things not right by the horse. If it were so easy and 10% commission would be suffice to live off, you should quit this and take up training.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-60578706797472969422007-05-20T17:06:00.000-04:002007-05-20T17:06:00.000-04:00If a trainer is going to do a good job, he doesn't...If a trainer is going to do a good job, he doesn't need to groom, exercise or hot walk. He'll make lots in the afternoon with his 10%.<BR/><BR/>So far, nobody has given me a good reason to pay a trainer in the morning, and I wish you Anon's would at least sign a nickname or first name after the posts so that I know that it isn't just one person I'm discussing this with.<BR/><BR/>-CangambleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-25529314865505929552007-05-20T16:59:00.000-04:002007-05-20T16:59:00.000-04:00If you expect the trainer to do a good job how can...If you expect the trainer to do a good job how can he be expected to groom or walk his own horses to save expenses. It may be possible in a small operation of 4 to 5 horses, however, if you were training a large number of horses it wouldn't work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-27559808713543815912007-05-20T12:11:00.000-04:002007-05-20T12:11:00.000-04:00I already said the trainers shouldn't lose money i...I already said the trainers shouldn't lose money in the morning. My argument is that they shouldn't.<BR/><BR/>You are the one who appears to be missing something upstairs.<BR/><BR/>If the trainer wants to make money, nobody is stopping them from grooming or walking the horse himself?<BR/><BR/>What financial risk am I missing? I've already said that the owner should be responsible indirectly for all the costs associated with grooms, hot walkers, and exercise boys.<BR/><BR/>If a horse gets injured, many times the horse is sent to a farm, and the owner pays the farm for caring for the horse. The trainer doesn't get squat or deserve squat for that either.<BR/><BR/>You must be one of those highly educated trainers I'm talking about. HA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-86887170205195996652007-05-20T12:02:00.000-04:002007-05-20T12:02:00.000-04:00Are you serious? I know that pehaps your brain is ...Are you serious? I know that pehaps your brain is frozen being up there and Canada and all but your premise is only something a person with a learning disability or an axe to grind would have. Who do you think pays all those bills? Trainers you idiot! Do you think the employees are paid by some gov't program? Who do you think pays for the insurance and feed and equiptment? Who takes all the financial risks? Trainers. What about the poors shleps who dont get paid in a reasonable time frame by owners (probably guys like you)? The vendors and help still get paid out of the trainers pocket. What about horses that get sick or hurt? Should the trainers now try to run them because some cheap asshole like you thinks that they should survive on commissions alone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-30002809613106166542007-05-20T07:47:00.000-04:002007-05-20T07:47:00.000-04:00No stress? Besides the fact that being a jockey i...No stress? Besides the fact that being a jockey is probably the most dangerous job their is with the most fatalities percentage wise, jockeys continually many fight their weight and many get screwed for mounts after being promised them. Just as trainers get scrutinized by owners, jockeys get scrutinized by owners, trainers and the public.<BR/>Now I do realize that trainers get stiffed by owners as well, but on a per year basis it doesn't amount to much in most cases.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-59866444563915863312007-05-20T07:35:00.000-04:002007-05-20T07:35:00.000-04:00dont forget that jockeys have no over head, minima...dont forget that jockeys have no over head, minimal stress, and they get paid for every mount,no matter where they finish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-76187067247333694522007-05-19T16:12:00.000-04:002007-05-19T16:12:00.000-04:00Anon, do jockeys work 7 days a week? Do they make...Anon, do jockeys work 7 days a week? Do they make anything in the morning?<BR/>If trainers can't live on the 10%, they should just go back to grooming.<BR/>Most are glorified grooms anyway. Do you need a college degree to become a trainer?<BR/>With the purse structure the way it is at Woodbine, trainers should have a lower day rate, there is all kinds to grab in the afternoon if you are a competent trainer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-74757474123205011492007-05-19T16:02:00.000-04:002007-05-19T16:02:00.000-04:00Trainer are being ripped off. Most trainers work ...Trainer are being ripped off. Most trainers work 7 days a week and put countless hours of work into each day. In your calculation of day pay nothing at all was allocated for pay for the trainer. Trainers eat and drive cars like everyone else. Why shouldn't they be compensated for that. How are they expected to live and survive. Coaches in all sports are compensated well, and recieve bonuses should they make Playoff ect. At Woodbine owners are blessed with the avg. day pay of $75.00, in New York the avg. day pay is $90.00. Purse structure at Woodbine is such that the avg. day pay for trainers should be at or around $90.00/day at least. When trainers recieve 10% in commission it should be looked as a bonus for doing a good job. When other trainer undercut at $60.00/day(which is impossible to do at Woodbine) it does no good for the industry. You get what you pay for!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com