tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post3044536876375584386..comments2024-01-08T05:30:03.477-05:00Comments on CANGAMBLE: New Pimlico Wager Not Very Well Thought OutUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-64078571813997282312011-03-17T06:54:01.925-04:002011-03-17T06:54:01.925-04:00I must disagree on the Fortune 6:
Especially at G...I must disagree on the Fortune 6:<br /><br />Especially at Gulfstream, especially with everyone trying to focus on the jackpot, the pool wagered each day is enough to take a shot at what sometimes is an inflated payoff for a dime on the "normal" pick-six, especially if you don't like the favorite. There sometimes are opportunities with that pick six if you shun the jackpot because of so many other shooting for the jackpot portion.Wallyhorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14719571110881868168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-57872298342059185362011-03-16T16:40:34.118-04:002011-03-16T16:40:34.118-04:00Anon, the point I'm making why these types of ...Anon, the point I'm making why these types of pools might be good is because it could attract the lottery and slot players.<br />Horse racing needs to create more players, and I see bets like this having that potential. I could be wrong.Cangamblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-67259322502716121812011-03-16T16:11:32.817-04:002011-03-16T16:11:32.817-04:00Your observations and angles are plainly off the m...Your observations and angles are plainly off the mark here.<br /><br />In addition to what others have pointed out, the implication that "The Gulfstream Pick 6 and the Fortune 6 at Beulah are very good ideas" is absurd.<br /><br />Both are ridiculous wagers which basically implode upon themselves. Each one inspires 'sophisticated' players to make extremely unsophisticated wagers to have any prayer prior to April 24. Furthermore neither bet affords anyone with knowledge about racing and wagering a <b>significant</b> edge over those who don't have any such knowledge.<br /><br />Sure, on April 24, the Gulfstream bet will seem glorious all morning long. Indeed a few souls will net $2000 or $4000 or so for pocket-sized investments upon its conclusion.<br /><br />All in all those two bets just take money out of circulation for the good of nobody.<br /><br />The inherent problem with them, as you could see if you weren't over-thinking the issue, is that with each passing day and each added dollar wagered, the bet actually becomes <b>more difficult</b> to hit. <br /><br />When a mutuel clerk betting a dime or a dollar on his carry numbers every day actually has a better chance of hitting the big jackpot than does a serious player investing $1000, then you've got a poor wager. When the incentive is on wagering less, that's a problem!<br /><br />But be sure to participate in the fun-filled fiesta that will be April 24 at Gulfstream, when the bet will have been accumulating since January.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-19909556176645804872011-03-10T10:54:09.955-05:002011-03-10T10:54:09.955-05:00Anon, it doesn't work that way. The takeout o...Anon, it doesn't work that way. The takeout only comes out once. The track only take's money out of the new money bet daily.Cangamblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-65435110788431831612011-03-10T07:41:36.818-05:002011-03-10T07:41:36.818-05:00I see these carry over pools that only God can win...I see these carry over pools that only God can win as being negative no matter the take out. Each day the carryover is combined with the new wagers and the entire pool is hit with the full take out one more time, day after day, until won.<br /><br />This is not a straight take out situation. Every day that the carry over exists exposes the original pool to 18% take per day for each day. A first day pool of $100,000 is reduced to less than $2,000 in just 20 days of carry over. That is the hidden method to this madness.<br /><br />They have created a pool that will not be won that they can "take out" to death...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-92027081272947178072011-02-20T15:41:21.055-05:002011-02-20T15:41:21.055-05:00twin exacta is a winner as i hit on 82 cold then 5...twin exacta is a winner as i hit on 82 cold then 52 cold - once!<br /><br />i am told hong kong has a multi horse wps parlay on as many horses as you want in whatever races on a $10 ticket - boxcar payoffs as long as 1 pick in each race is in the money, you winAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-28229901004803329012011-02-20T03:55:29.542-05:002011-02-20T03:55:29.542-05:00Some excellent points there. Trying to pick a str...Some excellent points there. Trying to pick a straight winner, then a cold exacta, a cold trifecta and a cold superfecta in four consecutive races, even if all four races had only six betting interests is not easy to say the least. About the only way I would look at this wager would be as a <i>one-cent</i> (yes, a penny) wager, as even at a penny, it would takes thousands of combinations if not tens or hundreds of thousands of combos to hit it.<br /><br />One wager I'm surprised no track has thought of implementing is the Double Exacta, a wager originally offered by (the now-late) New York City Off-Track Betting in the 1970's and '80s. While it mainly was offered on special event races (both Thoroughbred and Harness), in the mid-1980's through the early '90s, there was a unique Thoroughbred-Harness version of the bet offered on Thursdays and Saturdays where you picked the first two finishers in the last race at whatever NYRA track (Aqueduct/Belmont/Saratoga) was running and the same on the first race that (at that time) offered triple (trifecta) wagering at Roosevelt (usually the 3rd Race) or Yonkers (usually the 4th Race). That bet actually was quite popular in that it was hittable with a reasonable investment, even with there never being a carryover as it rarely failed to be hit.<br /><br />The Double Exacta to me is something that should be seriously looked at by tracks as a wager to be offered. Especially as a 50-cent wager, it's one that I suspect would be very popular.Wallyhorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14719571110881868168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-66952649562239234692011-02-20T01:12:52.852-05:002011-02-20T01:12:52.852-05:00Anonymous 11:10, can you please explain why this b...Anonymous 11:10, can you please explain why this bet doesn't have disaster written all over it instead of shooting down CanGamble's opinion of this wager which I have to say seems right on target?<br />You say there are a lot of inaccurate comments on here. I don't see any except your claim that the bet was created by gamblers if your claim is true that is.<br />Not to defend CanGamble here but doesn't he say that the Fortune and Rainbow Six are good ideas. I agree with him that this Slider bet is a bad idea. Does that make me not classy too?Bobby S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-37092402695495217372011-02-20T00:39:53.837-05:002011-02-20T00:39:53.837-05:00Also, this bet isn't a punishment, what is pun...Also, this bet isn't a punishment, what is punishing is that someone in racing management thought this was a good idea so much that they got it approved.<br />We need people in charge who understand gamblers.Cangamblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-15124380702998187532011-02-20T00:38:11.697-05:002011-02-20T00:38:11.697-05:00Anon, the only thing I might be wrong about is tha...Anon, the only thing I might be wrong about is that a couple of gamblers might have been asked to give some input. But anyone with a clue about bettors and probability would never have come up with this ridiculous wager.<br />As for putting my name on this blog, those who matter know who I am. Funny that someone who signs in anonymously is asking for my name. Hilarious, almost as funny as the rest of your comment.Cangamblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-88256054486604801532011-02-19T23:10:30.139-05:002011-02-19T23:10:30.139-05:00A lot of inaccurate comments on here. You shouldn&...A lot of inaccurate comments on here. You shouldn't write what you're not sure of, and your facts and suppositions are bad. The bet was created by gamblers. The details haven't been worked out. The bet has disaster written all over it? You should sign your name to your blog, so we know who you are. But keep up the good work taking shots at people trying to come up with fun, interesting new ideas. You make it like the bet is punishment. Classy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-86443141691058987842011-02-19T21:02:35.953-05:002011-02-19T21:02:35.953-05:00I bet at lrl w/many people that are their everyday...I bet at lrl w/many people that are their everyday and never once was asked about a new bet idea as we would have easily come up w/ something "bettor" than this.Just an idea,make the slider a guaranteed 3 million,you will get great intrest and a pool up to 100 million before its hit if ever. .By the way as a group we at lrl have gone to the mgmt. w/ideas and have been continually ignored.I was at the mtg w/stronach and would have to say that he beleives the racing model to be broken and would like to tell him that in some ways it is but w/good ideas it can be easily fixed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-33821917280985718352011-02-19T18:42:58.920-05:002011-02-19T18:42:58.920-05:00I think it is a great bet and when it gets over a ...I think it is a great bet and when it gets over a million bucks I will be playing it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-21327738368263428502011-02-19T15:45:45.343-05:002011-02-19T15:45:45.343-05:00A better name for it would be "The Cycle.&quo...A better name for it would be "The Cycle." And it should be a dime bet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-48408584681277068832011-02-19T11:31:31.260-05:002011-02-19T11:31:31.260-05:00Anon, I'm not saying that the concept of tryin...Anon, I'm not saying that the concept of trying to do what Stronach is trying to do here isn't worthy.<br />And yes, if the super were dropped, it would make this bet a 150,000-1 quick pick possibility assuming 8 horses a race. But those odds are too low for what Stronach is trying to accomplish here, as I do think it would be played and it would be hit. The key would have the third leg (the triactor have 10 or more horses to bump the odds of cashing it and increasing the chance of carryover).<br /><br />And you make a great point regarding late scratches. Is the ticket refunded, or do you sub the favorite in the position that your horse was scratched from. What if you already have the favorite? What if two of your selections are scratched?<br />This bet has disaster written all over it.Cangamblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-10746110844370882412011-02-19T11:12:51.449-05:002011-02-19T11:12:51.449-05:00The idea isn't completely lacking. You drop th...The idea isn't completely lacking. You drop the super and you have something more realistic. The other problem you didn't address is late scratches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-51249582070304705622011-02-19T08:49:48.206-05:002011-02-19T08:49:48.206-05:00Hi Frank. They must have asked the wrong two or t...Hi Frank. They must have asked the wrong two or three guys.Cangamblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22896617.post-45979548915196091872011-02-18T18:14:54.245-05:002011-02-18T18:14:54.245-05:00While much of what you're saying may be accura...While much of what you're saying may be accurate, I can tell you with 100% certainty that this idea did not come from Stronach -- it actually came from horseplayers at LRL. Whether they'll support it... well, time will tell. But the contention, made in many places, that this was done without horseplayer input is simply not the case.Frankhttp://www.thatsamorestable.net/blognoreply@blogger.com